We're Not Training Our Pastor. Here's Why.
Author
Jeanette Staats
Date
March 27, 2024
Our church is experimenting with a hiking initiative that may even grow into a new expression of Church. We're invested enough in the possibility that we want to provide training and support for it.
But we're not training our pastor. We're investing in one of our church members.
In Southwest Virginia, where our community is located, the landscape is rich with hiking trails, including numerous access points to the Appalachian Trail, all within a short drive. Despite the great outdoors being literally in my backyard, I do not frequently engage in hiking.
Yet, it’s not difficult to recognize through social media posts and conversations catching up about one’s weekend that a significant number of people cherish the hiking experience. Furthermore, a lot of people find that spending time in nature and amidst creation holds significant meaning and serves as a pathway for connecting with God.
The idea of organizing reflective prayer hikes for our community didn't come from our church's paid pastoral staff. It came from one of our members and an avid hiker, Emma.
When Emma proposed the idea, it was an easy "yes." She had recognized the outdoor interests of many in our region, and she was keen to lead and innovate and see if her spiritual approach to the outdoors captured the interest of others.
"Permission Giving" is Leadership
What separates Jesus-followers whose sense of mission leads them to start new things from other kinds of entrepreneurs and initiators is a three-pronged approach to listening: listening for the Holy Spirit, listening to the needs of our neighbors, and listening alongside our church community.
Listening is a pivotal element for a pastor or church leader who hopes their congregation will embrace new approaches to church. Much of our ministry begins with the simple yet profound act of listening, setting the stage for deeper engagement and understanding.
But making listening a primary leadership strategy is not always natural. Church leaders have the distractions of various ministry activities and can often feel the pressure to act swiftly—and sometimes to do it all themselves.
If a church is going to try new things, leaders may need to change their approach from doing everything to becoming permission givers. This means paying close attention not only to the voices of our leaders and congregation but also to the wider community we serve. It means continually asking, "Where is God already at work in our environment—and who is noticing?"
When Emma suggested the idea of reflective hikes, she was demonstrating her own experience of listening to the needs of her community and for the voice of the Holy Spirit.
As permission-giving leaders, our job is to listen to our Emmas.
And we show that we are listening by doing more than simply saying, "Sure, go ahead." We help them develop their ideas. We encourage experimentation. We connect them with resources, relationships, and training that can help something small take its next faithful step.
The First Hikes
The first hike began with Emma making a simple invitation to friends and fellow hikers: "I’m excited to explore something new through a reflective prayer hike and would be delighted for you to join."
The invitation made it clear that she was asking others to help her experiment with providing an opportunity to engage with nature, reflection, and spiritual connection.
The hike started with a time of centering—eyes closed, deep breaths, releasing distracting thoughts—while picturing God present as the hike began. From there, hikers stopped about every ten minutes for discussion. They were also prompted to pay attention to each of their five senses and consider the ways God was interacting with them during the hike.
Another hike offered time for silent personal prayer followed by an invitation to notice new life springing forth in the surroundings and consider where God might be bringing new life. On the way down, hikers shared where they had been wanting to see God's grace and participated in a communal response from Psalm 139.
These initial experiences were well received and encouraged Emma to keep experimenting.
And that raises an important question for those of us in church leadership: What happens after we say yes?
What Training Do Others Need?
Our experience with Emma has led me to reflect on the importance of listening in my own pastoral leadership. It makes me wonder what our churches would be like if leaders focused more on being permission givers—not only saying "yes," but also providing opportunities for others to receive training, development, and encouragement.
I've tried to become more attentive to the opportunities that "come across my desk" (or, more accurately these days, across my screen).
I recognize that I don't need to say "YES!" to each one. But I also don't need to immediately delete them.
Instead, each webinar, gathering, training, or learning opportunity gives me another question to consider:
"Is this opportunity a fit for someone else?"
Maybe there's an artist in your congregation wondering what creativity has to do with mission. Maybe someone loves gathering people in coffee shops. Maybe there's a person who naturally connects with older adults, college students, runners, gardeners, or neighbors around a dinner table.
They may never call themselves a pioneer. They may simply have noticed something—and wondered, What if?
One of the roles we can play as pastors and church leaders is to notice them noticing.
That's one reason opportunities like Fresh Expressions Incubators can be so valuable. They create space for people with an idea, interest, or emerging experiment to learn from practitioners, explore a particular context, bounce around ideas, and imagine what a next step could look like.
And sometimes the person who needs that opportunity isn't the pastor.
Permission-giving leadership means recognizing that we don't have to be the ones with every idea, lead every experiment, or attend every training. Sometimes our most important leadership happens when we recognize what God may be stirring in someone else and say:
"Yes. Let's see where this could go—and how we can help you get there."

About the Author
Jeanette Staats
Jeanette has over 20 years of experience in collegiate ministry, with a focus on leadership, staff development, and discipleship. She holds degrees from Virginia Tech and the John Leland Center for Theological Studies and serves on the board of The Ecclesia Network. An avid Hokie fan, she rarely misses the chance to catch a collegiate sporting event.












